Biohacking Cancer Why Cancer Happens and How to Shift the Outcome

What if cancer is not just a matter of chance but a reflection of what is happening inside your body every day 

In this episode of Biohacking Cancer, we explore the deeper reasons behind cancer development and how your lifestyle, environment, and cellular health play a critical role 

Join us with guest expert Joy, a health coach specializing in cellular health and genomics, as we uncover practical ways to support your body, improve cellular repair, and create conditions for better health 

This is a conversation designed to inform, empower, and inspire you to take action toward a healthier future 

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• https://biohackandactivate.com/activationpodcast

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We release new episodes every week, so there is always fresh content to guide you on your wellness journey. Tune in, get inspired, and start supporting your body and mind from the inside out. 

Transcript

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome. We're so excited to be with you this Wellness Wednesday. And you guys have been tuning in. If you're here as a guest, we're excited to welcome you. You've probably probably been following our podcast now. We've been doing this Wellness Wednesday now for a few years. We have over 170 podcasts. We want to refer you over to that. If today's Wellness Wednesday has impacted you in any any way, we would love for you to watch the recording, share that, and then tune in to our Wellness Wednesday. But tonight, you guys, we have an incredible topic with an incredible human. My dear friend Joy, we're talking about cancer. And tonight's topic is all about biohacking cancer. We're going to dive into DNA, root cause, all the things. But truly, what we're here to do with Wellness Wednesday is to create education for you to kind of think outside of the box. And we're going to be talking about activation. We're going to be talking about what we believe is the root cause of issues in the body. And so before we dive into this podcast and I introduce Joy to you today, I'm going to just say this is that this Wellness Wednesday, this podcast, we're not here to diagnose, treat, prevent, mitigate any disease. And in fact, we're doing the opposite of that. We're here to empower you with knowledge so that you can take back your health. So I'm really excited to have Joy on today. Joy is an expert in DNA health. She's not only a dear friend that I respect so much. Like I truly, you guys, when Joy talks, I listen. She's had her own health challenges. She's been in this wellness space for over 10 years. She's a graduate from the graduate from the Institute of Integrative Nutrition. And her passion is really truly, you guys, to set people free with their health. And you guys, we don't heal lower than the DNA level. Like our DNA is the genetic blueprint of who we are. You guys have probably heard the saying that, like, my mom had cancer, I'm destined to get it, my genes, you know, I'm destined to just have all these health problems because my genes aren't going to express in that manner. So Joy's going to kind of help help us kind of weed through the truth in that. But we're here to really kind of share this information with you today because we believe that chronic illness has really gotten a bad name. And when you truly understand cancer in its form and really where we are today, the standard of care, I believe, has failed a lot of people because it really kind of puts people in a box. And so today we're going to kind of peel apart those layers with you. So, Joy, I'm excited to have you. Will you just give us a background as to why you're passionate about this topic? And then we'll dive in and kind of peel peel back the layers and get into the meat and potatoes today. But so excited to have you.

SPEAKER_01 2:40

Thank you. Thanks, Jenny. How you guys? So, yeah, it's actually kind of a full circle moment for me. Is I I'm first I want to say I'm not an expert in cancer at all. And first, when you asked me, I was like, uh-uh. Um, but my my dear colleague Stanzi, who I really respected as like the health guru, the food guru when I first graduated from nutrition school, she died of cancer. And she was the person that actually, like, she was vegan. She named her child Kale. Okay. Like when she like her food game was so on point. She even she would soak her almonds and peel the skins off. Okay. Like that's how on point her food was. In her dying blog post, she said, I missed the mark. I didn't address my stress. And it really rocked my world because at the time I had three kids and I was soaking all my grains and sprouting all my foods and fermenting all my things and holding on so tightly to have perfect food. If you had rolled out the carpet for me, I literally left someone's house once because they had new carpet in and I had a newborn baby, and I was like, oh, that's so toxic. I don't want to do that. And and in her dying post, it made me realize I was looking at this the wrong way. And the stress that I was causing myself trying to be perfect to avoid cancer was ultimately what was going to make us sick. And so this is really a full circle moment for me. Thanks.

SPEAKER_00 4:12

I love that, Joy. And you know, today you guys, we're going to be talking about terrain because right now I'm currently working on a project where my mom was actually diagnosed with triple negative breast cancer six years ago. And because I had already been in the biohacking space, I'd connected with the Life Manage products, which you guys, today we are going to be educating you on the power of activation and the power of what it looks like to influence gene expression and change the terrain of your body. Because the question that I that I started to ask after going to all of our oncology appointments, she ultimately decided to get help for her cancer outside of the standard of care. And once I started to really pull back the layers and understand that our standard of care, the way that we're treating chemo, the way that we're treating cancer with chemo and radiation is so off basis in my in my like from what I've learned, because the body is the miracle, you guys. And so cancer has been this thing where we we get diagnosed, right? There's a diagnosis, there's a tumor, and then immediately you're sent into an office where you're talking about how do we eradicate this tumor? Okay. How do we cut it out, get rid of it, eradicate it with the most strong, you know, concoction that we can make. But really truly, you guys, I think we're missing the mark. Because my question is we need to start thinking about this differently. Terrain is where it starts. The question is, why don't I have a tumor? Like, not why do I have a tumor, but why was that tumor able to grow? And that really is what we're gonna break down for you today is that the terrain of your body, right? We're exposed to our toxic environment. We have our genes. I'm one of those that like to say that, you know, our environment pulls the trigger, right? Genesis is what loads the gun, but the environment pulls the trigger. So we're gonna talk to you about prevention, about why the terrain of your body matters. And what Joyce said at the beginning was truly profound because when we're talking about what we put into our body matters, but at the end of the day, we're exposed to a toxic environment that we can't even see or control. And so I love that you said this, Joyce, that you had this like kind of fear-based mentality when you, you know, right? The girl that you know that's the healthiest now dies of cancer. Like, how did this happen? You guys, this happens all of the time. And so we really today are gonna empower you that terrain matters. Like, how can you improve your cellular health, which Joy is gonna help us break all of this down? But I'm really excited to kind of dive deep and let's start with inflammation and oxidative stress, Joy, because I know that you're an expert on this. And let's let's dive into what that looks like and how this is going to really play the bigger role in picture of our health long term.

SPEAKER_01 7:02

I think like let's first define oxidative stress, right? It's really just wear and tear on the body and it's part of aging, it's not something to fear because we all have it, right? I think is the problem is it builds up faster than the body can clear it. And when it starts to create more damage than the body can repair, that's when we start to see the body not working efficiently, where we start to see a breakdown. And most people is that when they experience symptoms.

SPEAKER_00 7:32

Right. Yeah. And inflammation, truly, I love that you said that because I feel like we do need to start there. Inflammation and oxidative stress, like if you guys go to PubMed.gov right now and you look up oxidative stress, that is where the breakdown happens. And that's a whole cellular function. We're not going to get into it. But if you can address oxidative stress and inflammation at the root, truly, that is where the train matters, right? That is where the train of our body starts to adjust and reflect true health. And so we know that diet plays a role in that, but let's talk a little deeper, like why oxidative stress and inflammation, and really how does that kind of accumulate over time? And how can we effectively reduce that process in the body?

SPEAKER_01 8:18

So I think, okay, let's go back to like upstream versus downstream, downstream versus looking at the terrain, and I'm gonna say like your DNA versus looking at symptoms. And I think a lot of people are out there chasing the symptoms. I have whatever the insymptom is, and then how can I fix it? And but the analogy that I like to use is like you don't turn your faucet on if your toilet is clogged, right? Or do you know what I mean? Like we don't use the we don't use the toilet if it's clogged. We know better than to put more in it. And so we keep trying to boost the body, right? When it's depleted, like it's like pushing a gas pedal on a car that has a dead battery. And our body needs energy and capacity in order to respond. So the goal isn't to push more things, but it's to clear the clogs. And so that for me, that's what I really like. DNA, we can dive a little bit deeper into that, but it says where the clogs are more likely to happen. And I think that's sometimes why people can feel like they're doing all the right things, but like, why isn't it working? And I think that that answers, that answers the question. Was that did I answer the question that you asked?

SPEAKER_00 9:28

Yeah, no, a hundred percent. You know, there's so many different ways to kind of talk about it, but I think that that's so true. When we're talking about DNA, obviously you're an expert. And, you know, that's one of the biggest, I think, misconceptions today in the in the cancer world and the even in the integrative world is like we're destined to be the DNA that our family is, right? Like my mom has the breast cancer gene. I'm gonna get this breast cancer, all of that. I think it comes down to our environment pulls the trigger. So, you know, when we're really looking at it that way, I think it's kind of reversing the way that we're we're we're meant to think about it when we're talking to like a traditional oncologist or a doctor that's diagnosing cancer, they're not really looking at root cause. And I feel like that's the breakdown. So I like to say it's kind of like mowing the grass, but not pulling the weeds. Like we have to get down to the foundational issue. And I think that's where traditional medicine has has really kind of led us astray. And I'm not here to talk bad about doctors and but I do believe that when you're dealing with a chronic condition, like if I'm in a car accident and I break my arm, I need a doctor's help, right? But like when you're dealing with a chronic issue, I love what you said, Joy. Like if your body is, you know, expressing a symptom, like if you have autoimmune issues, or maybe you're dealing with heart disease or thyroid issues, like let's get down on a DNF, DNA level as to where that starts. And I know you're an expert in this, so let's break it down because I think it's important for them to understand, for the people that are watching this to understand really where this is all starting. Because if you can get the foundation, if you can peel apart the layers and understand where all of this starts, you're more empowered to kind of, you know, prevent down the road what could possibly happen if that makes sense. So let's talk about DNA in regard to that for sure.

SPEAKER_01 11:18

It's well, can we back up a little? Because first I really want to talk about lifestyle that, you know, that yes, people think that cancer is genetic or it runs in families, but kind of, but not really, because yes, a someone in the same family, family of origin, is going to have similar genetics, right? But they also are probably consuming similar toxins. They're living in the same house. If you say you live in molds, like if you live in a moldy house, everyone's going to be exposed to the mold. Depending what your genetics are, depends maybe how sensitive you are. You've probably you learned the same emotional patterns. Are you dealing with your emotions? Are you crying when you feel sad? All of that. So I really think that it it's not the genetics necessarily. It is, it's the lifestyle. So I just wanted to back up and say that. And then we're looking at genes. What I'm looking for is not, I think you asked me earlier when we weren't recording, like, what are the genes that I that you know I would be looking for, but I'm not looking for any one particular gene. I'm looking for the patterns in your body. We all have patterns, we all have genetic, I'm gonna call it abnormalities, but like that's probably not the best word, right? But but it's not, it's not the gene that is the issue, it's the patterns. So let's just use detox, for example. MTHFR is all the buzzword, right? But sometimes if you have one, one issue, one can I use the Lego analogy? Is if you okay, I'm gonna do that because I talked to you about that the other day, is you're building a set of Legos, right? And and the directions say use the blue block to build your structure. Well, you don't have a blue block, you have a yellow block, right? Fine. The structure's still gonna hold. It's fine. So that's what someone says I have MTHFR. Okay, it's yellow instead of blue. Sometimes that's even a good thing. But when you have all yellow or purple, like do you know what I mean? That's where it's showing me, oh, there's a pattern here that indicates I'm not even gonna call it weakness. It just means that that's where the body needs a little bit more support. And that's what we're looking for. It's not about do my genes say I'm gonna get this disease because I I it's epigenetics, it's the lifestyle factors that make a bigger difference. Does that answer your question?

SPEAKER_00 13:38

Absolutely. I totally agree with that. That's the that's what comes down to like the terrain. And I think that is really I think where a lot of integrative practitioners are kind of switching their way of thinking in regard to cancer and looking at root cause, because truly that's what Joy and I are here today to teach you about is that root cause. We're gonna be sharing life vantage products, right? Our Pro Tandem line specifically, and how really this is one tool in your toolbox, right? I feel like it's so foundational. We're building upon one block from another. I love that you use the Lego analogy, Joy, because it's so true. It's like, where do I start? I'm sure if you open up your Instagram, you've got every like influencer trying to tell you you need this supplement, you need to do this, you need to do these tests. And it's like, I feel like the majority of the population, because they're not experts in this field, they get overwhelmed. They're like, my supplement cabinet is already like, I have 25 different supplements. Where do I start? So we're gonna educate you guys today on a product line that Life Fanage developed. This is a, this is a, I like to say it's the only product with 28 peer-reviewed studies, our Protandum NRF2, proven to reduce oxidative stress by 40% in 30 days. So when we're talking about terrain and genetics, let's talk about joy, why this product line specifically is what we believe not only prevention status, right? Like keeping those genes in order and in line so they don't express cancer or allow cancer to happen in the body. But why would this product line be so foundational? And what can we really educate people today as to why they would want to make this a part of their daily routine? It makes me passionate.

SPEAKER_01 15:20

Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So I think the people, I think people sometimes have a hard time understanding the difference between supplements and activation. And so supplements are just giving your body something from the outside, whereas activation is helping your body do more of what it's already innately designed to do. It's basically flipping on a switch that's telling your body to repair the cells or make more antioxidants or it's giving you more energy. It's helping your body clear that drain, right? And so it's foundational. Is it the only thing that people should do? No. But I think across the board, it it is the foundation and it's something simple that people can implement.

SPEAKER_00 15:59

Yeah, and I love that. I think when we're talking about, you know, detox, most people's bodies are not. You you mentioned MTHFR. Like our bodies are naturally designed on their own if we're eating the proper things, um, if we're using the restroom daily. Like these are basic like ideas in in in wellness that really kind of matter. But let's be real 90% of the population is not detoxing properly. Like we know that, whether it's genetic through MTHFR, whether it's not using the restroom, whether it's lifestyle. So our bodies are not clearing these toxins, and then it kind of builds up on itself. So I think that's what we were kind of addressing in that in that idea. But I think the great thing about Protandum NRF2 is that it's opening up those detox pathways. Like you said, it's not the end-all be all. But when we're looking at kind of foundational tools that you can implement, not only for prevention or when you're dealing with cancer, I think that that's so important. So I don't know if you have anything else to add about that, but I think it's it's super foundational for sure.

SPEAKER_01 17:03

It is super foundational. And, you know, the reason why I even got into like DNA and the genetics is I was one of those people that was doing every single thing. And even as much as I know, I would start looking at all the influencers online. I'm like, maybe I need this, maybe I need this, and spent so much money and energy and time spinning my wheels. And it was really interesting when I pulled my own genetic report to see just how much support that I needed and that the activation is providing me. So it really is foundational.

SPEAKER_00 17:34

I love it. Okay, so let's talk about this. What are the biggest contributors to cancer today? Like the risk. Like we know we talked about DNA, right? We know that we're predisposed. But again, like I said, let's talk about what kind of pulls the trigger. It's our environment, right? It's our exposures, it's the things that we're putting in our body by choice. And it's like I like that you brought up mold, right? Inflammation with heavy metal toxicity, mold toxicity, glyphosate in our food. So let's kind of dive into like what are the biggest contributing factors, and then we'll we'll go backwards from there.

SPEAKER_01 18:09

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, okay, so we're gonna talk, okay, there's oxidative stress, which is basically the toxins that we're exposed to. Everybody has it, you cannot avoid it. There's, you know, causes chronic inflammation. There's metabolic dysfunction, which is actually really huge. I think unresolved emotions is something that's maybe not talked about enough, as I think that can be really, really huge. But but basically what it means is we have too much exposure to the trash, like the things that are not good for us, and then we're not bringing in enough repair to clear or clean up to happen for the trash. And that's where I think that activation is really supportive. So again, like the body is innately designed to heal itself. And when we can give it the support that it needs and help give it the right conditions, it's not supposed to be hard. And I like it, it it I think sometimes we're overcomplicating it.

SPEAKER_00 19:01

Right. And you know, that's why I talk a lot about terrain. Like our body's terrain is what harbors these chronic issues. So if we can adjust the terrain, right, if we can really kind of focus on what our body is innately designed to do, I love that you said this. Our body is a miracle. So if we're giving it the tools that it needs, right, guess what? The body is designed to come in. And, you know, when we we're talking about T cells and all the things that actually is meant to fight cancer, we're eradicating those with the standard of care. We're literally going in and taking chemo and literally eradicating not only the bad, but the good that is designed to repair the human body. So that is where I don't think it's bad altogether, because actually in Switzerland and Germany, they do low-dose chemo, which doesn't destroy the rest of the body. It just focuses on the two cells, which is phenomenal. You and I, you know, it's it's very interesting, but like we're missing the point here. And so that's why let's let's dive deep into that. But I it's it's very interesting that you can actually do low-dose chemo and it's a thing. It's called IPT, but it's it's very fascinating when you understand that like half of the world outside of the US is actually very ahead of the cancer curve. And they understand the power of the terrain, your body, and what enables like we're asking the wrong question. So let's talk about what's one thing people can start doing immediately to either mitigate their risk for cancer, or if they are dealing with the cancer diagnosis, what that looks like for them.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

So if I had to pick one place to start, I think it would be lowering the overall stress and inflammatory load on the body while really supporting the ability to prepare, repair. And so the biggest, like, and I can't imagine getting a diagnosis and and like how you feel like, okay, I have to fix all of that immediately. But make a list, do one thing at a time. You cannot live you we can't put ourselves in a bubble. We're not exposed to things that can hurt us. That is unfortunately the world that we live in. So it's pick one thing, do what feels reasonable. Maybe it's going for a walk and getting more sunlight in your eyes, you know. Maybe it's putting your screens down at night and saying, I'm gonna read a book or I'm gonna take a bath. Maybe I'm gonna hug my kids or read them a story. It's being being more present. It's learning to cry when we feel sad instead of eating or scrolling. It's switching out your bath, bath and beauty, like personal care products in cleaning products. It's, you know, taking taking plastic out of your house and getting glass instead. You know what I mean? It doesn't have to be expensive, it doesn't have to be overwhelming, and you just chip away, away at it. You know, in a in a pace that feels available to you. Available is not the right word, but No, I love it.

SPEAKER_00 22:06

And and truly, that's why I love what the Life Santa products are doing, is because it's really helping kind of chip away at that block, right? It's step by step changing a lifestyle. I say this all the time people cannot get well in the same environment they got sick. So whatever that environment looks like for you, maybe it's your diet, maybe it's, like you said, emotions, maybe it's being exposed to toxic issues. It's it's kind of taking a very small steps to kind of help the greater good. And that really does start with, I like to say the tri-synergizer, our protonum tricinergizer is foundational because at the end of the day, when you're addressing oxidative stress, mitochondrial pathways and mitochondrial function, and cellular detox, I guess we can dive into kind of the products and kind of why they influence gene expression. I guess that would be a good way to kind of start about, you know, talking about the products and why they're so incredibly foundational for what that looks like for people in any chronic issue, not just cancer, but autoimmune or, you know, Alzheimer's or any neuro, like we can go on and on about that. But like, let's talk about why those three products are so foundational for our DNA and really chipping away at the block in a bigger, in a bigger way.

SPEAKER_01 23:25

Yep. Yep. Well, I think nerf two is so important because it's turning on your body's ability to access antioxidants, right? Is just we're not going to get that in our food anymore. The analogy that I like to use is that it's turning on, it's like showing up to a forest fire with either a Dixie cup of water or you know, turning on the own your own internal sprinkler system. So I think nerf two is a yes for everybody. And here's the thing, too, is sometimes when your body goes into a healing state, it doesn't always feel good, you know? And so I think people think, oh, this means it's not working. I should stop. That that's not true. You know, maybe we can slow down. Nothing's supposed to be uncomfortable. But I think that that's really important is when you unclog that drain, the body's like, oh, okay, it's safe. I can release more of what doesn't serve me now. And that's the whole point. That's what we want. And that doesn't always feel good. And then nerf one is an absolute, our our body runs on like the cellular energy is completely dependent on our mitochondrial health. And so nerf one is activating and turning on the body's ability to repair and restore our mitochondria. And you can't have too much of that. I love to use the analogy of do you remember when your kids were little and they would run around, like you'd have a birthday party and they would run around and you're like, oh, why are you not tired? Because I'm exhausted. I'm like, yeah, they have more mitochondria than we do. And so if you're fighting something, whatever it is, you need a lot of cellular energy. Your body needs to have like the ability to repair itself. It needs to have energy, it needs to be robust. And to me, that's the whole point is how can we clear the drain and give our body what it needs to mount the response that needs to mount? It will heal itself. 100%.

SPEAKER_00 25:15

Yeah. And when you implement the tri synergizer, the three protandum products, I know we talked about protandum NRF two, protandum NRF one. And then the third part of this incredible trio, I like to call it the biohacking bundle, is our protandum NAD. And you guys, you've heard about NAD. You are seeing all of the influencers talk about NAD and really how it, you know, kind of comes in and helps that DNA process, reversing that aging process, promoting cellular detoxification and autophagy. But I think that that those three together, when you combine, I like to tell people this product line is so foundational because you can't heal deeper than the cells. And we can do all of the things to kind of influence what that looks like on the outside. But what I love about this product line is it's actually hacking our DNA, hacking our cellular health. And that is truly where, like I said, not end all be all. Well, like you said, Joy, not end all be all, but it is truly a powerful way that you know you can have that not, you know, you can have that foundation so that while you're doing a lot of these other things, you're gonna be seeing those results. So I truly love that. And the other question I have for you is how can someone use their DNA understanding what that looks like proactively, like understanding what their DNA is doing and how they can utilize that to really kind of, I like to say preemptive strike, right? It's like being on a football field and knowing the play ahead of time. That's what I'm trying to say here is like if we understand what that looks like, how is that gonna relate to everybody that's watching this in regard to cancer and any other chronic issue?

SPEAKER_01 26:51

That's such a good analogy because think about it. If you have one player, you're playing a team sport football, you you know, I'm gonna pretend like I know what I'm talking about with sports, but you're playing a team sport and you have one player down. Not a big deal, right? Like the team can rally and if the whole team is strong, like you'll figure it out. I'm not giving a great analogy here. But like if your entire offense is down, injured, whatever, you're gonna have a hard time winning that game. And so that's what analyzing the DNA first is. It's I'm not saying that you don't do all the other things, but it's understanding who your team players are, it's understanding the blueprint, it's understanding the plays that need to be made to make the team strong. Oh, my dog just walked in. So, so that's it's I got distracted. But like ideally, we're using, oh my gosh, our DNA so uh to get ahead of things before something goes wrong. But it's it's it's the blueprint that tells you literally, like, this is what my body needs to thrive. This is the area where I need a little bit more support, and and everybody's different. So, you know, and you can get information from your DNA from how well you sleep to how well you detox to whether I should have grain-free or I need carbohydrates. Like, there's a lot of information there that's foundational. And I think we're all busy looking around at what our neighbor is doing versus looking inward. And it it's the other thing I like is it's one test. It's one test. That's it. You don't ever have to test again and you have the information, the roadmap forever.

SPEAKER_00 28:29

I love that because truly the roadmap is there and we can follow the roadmap, but ultimately also it's our choices as well. You know, I mean, I feel like there are certain ways that we can influence that gene expression. But you're right. If you understand what that looks like for you, like what your body is genetically supposed to eat. Like one of the things I disagree with the most in regard to well, nutrition and advice that you hear, you gotta go keto, you gotta just eat just meat, you gotta eat, you know, this or that way. But it's like that doesn't make sense to me intuitively because we're all genetically different. Like what may work for you may not work for another person, right? So I think that we have to be wise and intuitive. And that's what I love about the Protonum Tri-Synergizer is that it's really setting the stage to be able to hack the process where we're not understanding like what we're dealing with. So it's kind of going in, it's like our insurance policy in a way, to be able to go in and kind of preemptively strike where we're not aware of where we need to strike, if that makes sense. So I I love that.

SPEAKER_01 29:35

It it really is, and I keep repeating myself, but lifestyle matters, but sometimes making big radical lifestyle shifts is hard. And so adding in layering and activation, again, do I think it's the only thing you should do? No. But sometimes it's the lowest hanging fruit and the easiest thing to do.

SPEAKER_00 29:53

Right. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

And I love you the most leverage.

SPEAKER_00 29:56

Yeah. And I think when somebody's thinking of a supplement protocol, they're like, I'm on 15 different supplements. I'm on magnesium and I'm on blah, blah, blah, and I'm on this and this and this. And my naturopathic doctor or my integrative doctor put me on 20 different things, and then they're overwhelmed and they never do it because it's so much. And that's what I love about activation and and you know, our life manage foundational product line is that it's really kind of reducing the need for 90% of supplements that, you know, half the time we can actually oversupplement and really kind of mess with our body's natural functions. So what do you have to say about that? Because I know you've probably got a lot to say about that.

SPEAKER_01 30:33

Oh, you can absolutely oversupplement. And again, I think it's goes back to the clogging the drain that we keep trying to kind of put more in, put more in, put more in, but you you have to stop adding things. You have to clear the clogs first.

SPEAKER_00 30:48

Yes.

SPEAKER_01 30:49

Oversupplementing is not the way to go.

SPEAKER_00 30:52

Right. Yeah. And I think that's what's so foundational about what we're we're sharing with them today. So, one other question, I have a couple more before we end today, but why do people do everything right and still get sick? Like, like you said, your mentor, right, was the healthiest person. She named her son Kale, was eating a vegan diet and ultimately cancer. What can you tell, tell a person that's watching this that really isn't educated on the topic and why this matters?

SPEAKER_01 31:19

Because doing everything right, I mean, that was absolutely me. I was doing everything right, but that doesn't mean that it's everything right for your body, right? And it's very bio-individual, and we're busy looking around at what everybody else is doing, what's right for somebody else, assuming that that's right for us. And that unfortunately isn't the way it works. That's why there are so many different people out there saying, this was my life-changing product. Well, okay, it was for you, but that doesn't mean it'll be for me.

SPEAKER_00 31:49

True story. No, it's very true. And I think I'm sure a lot of people are going to listen to this podcast or this webinar and think, my gosh, she's speaking the truth. This is how I feel. Like, I don't even know where to start. And then I know a lot of people that have chronic issues that have spent 50,000 with this integrative health practitioner. And 50, you know, like it's there's so much to weed, you know, to weed through and to understand. That's why I love what you're doing, Joy, is like starting at the DNA level, understanding gene expression, what your body was designed to do, and then building a plan on top of that as to how you can actually address those underlying weaknesses that we're just born with, right? And then addressing those accordingly. So, what's your best piece of advice for somebody that's like, oh my gosh, like this chick's speaking my language, but I don't know where to start? Like, where can they start? And what can they do? You said simple DNA test, right? We know that that's available. Explain us to us a little bit more about what that looks like. It's like swabbing your cheek. You and I chat, it fascinates me because I'm like, wow, cheeks are something.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

It it's a so people have to understand that blood tests are, you know, are just showing you a window in time. They've pretty much expired. I don't, I'm not a functional medicine practitioner, but I'm gonna say like 90 days, right? That or or like hair tests or whatever, stool, urine, all of that. It's showing you a window in time, what's current for your body at the moment. What I love about the DNA test is it's simple. It's an at-home test. You, it's a cheek swab, and then it literally tests over a 150,000 different what they call SNPs. So let's call them Lego blocks, right? And then it's not about, and I'm gonna correct you if you don't mind me. Yes, they don't show weak, they don't show weaknesses. It's not weakness, it's just where does my body need support? Where does my body thrive? So when we talk about epigenetics and like our genes are just loading the gun, when you look at your genes, I I really see a future where like everybody does this, and like parents can do this at birth because we would prevent so many issues that you're just overlaying, you know, the the lifestyle that my kid or my person needs over your genes to it can prevent a lot of issues if you're living the correct lifestyle. The problem is we're just guessing.

SPEAKER_00 34:19

Yeah. And yes, and then you just And then I'm gonna say something that will probably offend half the population, but you guys all know. I mean, I get to get real on the vaccine thing, which, you know, stop following us, don't listen to. I don't know what Miss Wednesday, I may get in trouble for saying this, but like, why aren't we aware of what our child's DNA is before we put a toxic vaccine into them when they're born? And then you wonder why the environment pulls the trigger. Like, this is not, we're not a bunch of crazy moms saying you probably should look into that. But truly, you guys, it just makes sense. Like we are exposing ourselves sometimes willingly, or because we've been taught to look at our wellness and our health a certain way, dependent on a system that profits off us being sick. So I said it. There we go. It is what it is. Well, I mean, I think it's just important that we talk about this because, like, at the end of the day, this is not some crazy conspiracy theory moms that are like trying to say, no, you guys, this is about understanding that there are certain people that are predisposed to having issues when exposed to certain things. Joy, and you talked about it. I mean, I don't know, we're talking cancer, but if we talk about leukemia and the childhood rate and rise in leukemia, and you're looking at this and you understand that formaldehyde is one of the leading causes of exposure, and that's what's in our vaccines. Like, there should be a red light alert that kind of wakes us all up in regard to this. So I don't know if you have anything to add.

SPEAKER_01 35:48

I've already opened up the cancer or the box, and you know, but it but it it's true there should be some kind like just do the genetic test because some kids, and it explains a lot, some kids like detox fine, their body's really efficient, there's no issues there, and so that's why I I think some kids, some people, whatever we're gonna call it, have problems, and not everybody does, but it literally your DNA says it. It says, be more careful, give more support, or I'm okay right now here.

SPEAKER_00 36:25

Yeah, love it. You made it so simple like it's not rocket science. You what? You said it's too simple. Like that I would not do it. It's not rocket science. I get passionate because you know, we got you know, truly, you guys, the reason we do this wellness Wednesday is to empower you to do like Joy. I'm not the expert on like I'm not a doctor, I'm not claiming to be. That's why I opened this up and I did make a disclaimer. Like, I just know what I've learned and I'm passionate about it because, like, when you understand the power of the human body and what we are so capable of really, God designed us so beautifully. We are, we are literally put together by his hand with an innate ability to heal. And what we shared today about our protonum line is truly one piece of the puzzle. And the reason we talk about it so passionately is because it's a small piece, but it's something you can do today. Like I've been on these products for 14 years, and and that's you know, why we started my my family was dealing with issues. And I saw the results, but I also knew we had to build on top of that. It wasn't gonna be like, oh, I'm just gonna live a lifestyle like this, pretend on protonum, tri-synergizer or whatever, and then live a life where I'm allowing all of these things to happen and not take responsibility. So that's kind of where what we're bringing it back to. I think as we can kind of round it out, it's so important for sure.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

But but can I tell you a story of the flip side of that? Is again, it it's really understanding what is your foundation and that maybe, you know, it's gonna vary from person to person. But I do all of the things, all of the things. I sleep on an organic mattress, like I'm wacko, I do all of those things, right? Whole house water filter.

SPEAKER_00 38:06

You were lymphatic draining is you had your feet.

SPEAKER_01 38:10

And but here's the thing. So even though I have all the lifestyle things in place, I went off of NAD. Just my mom had extra, she gave me a different thing, so I took it, thought, like, oh, it won't be that big a deal. My deep sleep went, it took me a couple weeks to figure it out, but my deep sleep went from like nearly an hour and a half, definitely over an hour, to 37 minutes. And I was like, what is happening? And it and the night that I added the NAD back, I got two hours of deep sleep. The night before, 37 minutes. Wow. I was blown away. So, like that for me is a non-negotiable, absolutely my body needs that product. Right. I will never go without it again.

SPEAKER_00 38:57

Guys, you may be listening to this and thinking, God, they they talk so much about I don't know, I don't know where to start, I don't know what to do. Truly, you guys, it's as simple as this. It's understanding what that looks like for you, but then implementing a simple tool into your environment or into your into your body, like the ProTandum line, where you know, okay, while I figure this out, I know that this product is supporting me at the cellular level. And then we're gonna figure this out. And a lot of the time it's just step by step. Like Joy and I have been in the wellness world for a really long time. We've dove down to all the rabbit holes 10 times over and back ways to Sunday. And I will say that, but it's not complicated, truly. You can keep it simple by what Joy said at the beginning, eliminating these things step by step, chipping away at the block little by little, piece by piece, and then understanding that over time, as you dive in and you take ownership of your health, right? Educating yourself, listening to podcasts, doing the things little by little, that is where the change is going to happen. So as we wrap out this podcast and this webinar tonight, what last piece of advice do you have, Joy, in regard to what we talked about today? I know we were wrapping down and we kind of got a little bit crazy, but I had to, you know, I want to say that yes, activation.

SPEAKER_01 40:14

Reach out to the person who invited you to this podcast and ask them about activation. But if for some reason that's not your thing, understand, go for a walk. Go go like first thing in the morning or right before bed, go for a walk. Eat something green, drink more water. Like there are so many things available to us that are for everyone that will benefit everyone that aren't expensive. But you have to, like you said, you are in charge of your health. Like you have to decide this is important. You have one body, one God-given body, and you can choose to take care of it the way that you would choose to take care of anything else.

SPEAKER_00 40:52

I love it, Joy. You are my human, my girl. I love it. I know we could have probably taken this podcast or this webinar many different, but I thought we kind of covered just kind of the idea, you know, in regard to cancer, we kind of started on that route. But like, truly, you guys, the body is the miracle. And one thing I will say about tumors and the body's innate design is like that's actually the way that our body heals itself and protects ourselves. So, you know, it's let's think root cause. Let's not just eradicate things and think that that's gonna take care of it. We have to change our lifestyle. We cannot get well in the same environment that we got sick. And that is truly my heart is to understand that understanding the terrain of our body and where it starts, that we kind of empower it, I think is where all of the beauty is gonna happen. And uh we're here to literally be your best advocate. This podcast and this webinar happens every Wednesday, same time. So tune in because we cover all topics in regard to health. And we really want to be your best advocate and create a community where people are empowered to really see the light and the truth. So, Joy, you end it, girl. Leave us with some kind of profound idea that you always have.

SPEAKER_01 42:09

But I'm Oh my gosh, just throw me in the spot there. You know, okay, here, here. You know what? I'm gonna say, like, I am not a cancer expert, so I am not going to speak in absolutes, but this is just a reminder. I want to reframe the question like, is prevention, is cancer prevention really possible? That instead of let's reframe it and focus on the body's innate ability, let's give our energy to being resilient. Because when we give our bot our energy to what we want and like health and longevity versus giving energy to sickness, which I get can be hard, that makes all the difference in the world.

SPEAKER_00 42:45

Mindset matters too. There you go. It is, it's all about the mind, it's a powerful thing. So thank you, Joy. I appreciate you so much. It's been an incredible uh webinar. And you guys tune in next week, tune into the podcast. We're excited that you're here with us today. Stop the recording here.